Monday, February 21, 2011

Question 35: Chapter 8

In the beginning of Chapter 8, Krakauer mentions a number of responses to the article that he wrote about Chris in Outside Magazine. I want you to read the following quotes, some are from the book and some taken from the magazine.  Choose ONE quote that you agree with and ONE quote that you want to argue with. In a different document, cite the quote and your explanation for agreeing/arguing with each (5-6 sentences each). In terms of your responses, I am really looking for quality and depth.

Quotes from Krakauer’s Outside Magazine article about Chris McCandless:

“Alex is a nut in my book. The author describes a man who has given away a small
fortune, forsaken a loving family, abandoned his car, watch and map and burned the last
of his money before traipsing of into the ‘wilderness’ west of Healy.”
- resident of Healy, Alaska

“Personally I see nothing positive at all about Chris McCandless’s lifestyle or wilderness
doctrine. Entering the wilderness purposefully ill-prepared, and surviving a near-death
experience does not make you a better human, it makes you damn lucky.”
-resident of Healy, Alaska

“Krakauer is a kook if he doesn’t think Chris ‘Alexander Supertramp’ McCandless was a
kook.”
- resident of North Pole, Alaska

“Over the past 15 years, I’ve run into several McCandless types out in the country. Same story: idealistic, energetic, young guys who overestimated themselves, underestimated the country, and ended up in trouble. McCandless was hardly unique; there’s quite few of these guys handing around the state, so much alike that they’re almost a collective cliché. The only difference is that McCandless ended up dead, with the story of his dumbassedness splashed across the media…(Jack London got it right in “To Build A Fire.” McCandless is, finally, must a pale 20th- century burlesque of London’s protagonist, who freezes because he ignore advice and commits big-time hubris)…His ignorance, which could have been cured by a USGS quadrant and a Boy Scout manual, is what killed him. And while I feel for his parents, I have no sympathy for him. Such willful ignorance…amounts to disrespect for the land, and paradoxically demonstrates the same sort of arrogance that resulted in the Exxon Valdez spill—just another case of underprepared, overconfident men bumbling around out there and screwing up because they lacked the requisite humility. It’s all a matter of degree.McCandless’s contrived asceticism and a pseudoliterary stance…”
--resident of Ambler, Alaska—Inupiat village north of the Arctic Circle

“It should not be denied…that being footloose has always exhilarated us. It is associated in our minds with escape from history and oppression and law and irksome obligations,with absolute freedom, and the road has always led west.”
resident of Healy, Alaska

“It is true that many creative people fail to make mature personal relationships, and some are extremely isolated. It is also true that, in some instances, trauma, in the shape of early separation or bereavement, has steered the potentially creative person toward developing aspects of his personality which can find fulfillment in comparative isolation. But this does not mean that solitary, creative pursuits are themselves
pathological…Avoidance behavior is a response designed to protect the infant from behavioural disorganization. It we transfer this concept to adult life, we can see that an avoidant infant might very well develop into a person whose principal need was to find some kind of meaning and order in life which was not entirely or even chiefly, dependent upon interpersonal relationships.”
- Anthony Storr

DUE Thursday. March 3rd 11:59pm

16 comments:

  1. “Krakauer is a kook if he doesn’t think Chris ‘Alexander Supertramp’ McCandless was a
    kook.”
    - resident of North Pole, Alaska

    This quote is a quote that i disagree with entirely. Just because one opinion is had on something, doesn't make that person a "kook". Just because Krakauer doesn't think that Alex is crazy doesn't mean that he is crazy. I disagree with this 100% because it is completely ignorant and paints a bad picture for both the resident and the author. I also disagree with this because Alex himself was not a kook.

    “It should not be denied…that being footloose has always exhilarated us. It is associated in our minds with escape from history and oppression and law and irksome obligations,with absolute freedom, and the road has always led west.”
    resident of Healy, Alaska

    I agree with this quote for many reasons. First, it tells the story of how humanity finds adventure. It also tells of how Chris found his way to happiness and fun. This quote also tells of how people in the world and country find hope and happiness, and satisfaction in freedom. Chris found happiness in this way as have many others, this is why i agree with the quote.

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  2. "Alex is a nut in my book"
    I do not agree with this quote. I believe Alex was just following his dreams. Just because he did things differently than others would in following his dreams does not make him a nut case. Alex made a few bad choices like being ill-prepared for the woods. I believe Alex was getting close to nature something he loved from when he was young and that does not make him a nut case
    “It should not be denied…that being footloose has always exhilarated us. It is associated in our minds with escape from history and oppression and law and irksome obligations,with absolute freedom, and the road has always led west.”
    resident of Healy, Alaska
    I agree with this quote. I agree with it because we as humans find fun in thrill. We are thrill seeking creatures. For example Chris went into the ALsakan wilderness to get away from society and be freed. We all do something crazy to get away from life once in a while.
    Mark D

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  3. I choose the quote by the resident of Healy, Alaska. I am choosing to agree with this quote. People have always wanted a ruler who is just, and not a tyrant. You need to be free in order to be able to do what you want. Being “Footloose,” as he calls it, is very important in being open to new ideas.

    I chose to disagree with the quote by the resident of Healy, Alaska. This person chose to say that he thinks that there is nothing positive about his excursion. He was not ill prepared. He had food with him, and he had hunting supplies. He also had knowledge about what food in the wild he could eat, such as berries and plants.

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  4. “It is true that many creative people fail to make mature personal relationships, and some are extremely isolated. It is also true that, in some instances, trauma, in the shape of early separation or bereavement, has steered the potentially creative person toward developing aspects of his personality which can find fulfillment in comparative isolation. But this does not mean that solitary, creative pursuits are themselves
    pathological…Avoidance behavior is a response designed to protect the infant from behavioural disorganization. It we transfer this concept to adult life, we can see that an avoidant infant might very well develop into a person whose principal need was to find some kind of meaning and order in life which was not entirely or even chiefly, dependent upon interpersonal relationships.”
    - Anthony Storr
    I agree with this statement. This is a sound representation of the mental patterns of someone like Chris. It doesn’t undermine his intelligence yet explains about who he is, and how he was different. It could explain why he took the risks he did. This representation is up for interpretation. One could see this behavior as normal or crazy. But the fact is this quote simply states observations and facts, and not a judgment. In the end I base my opinions on facts.
    “Personally I see nothing positive at all about Chris McCandless’s lifestyle or wilderness
    doctrine. Entering the wilderness purposefully ill-prepared, and surviving a near-death
    experience does not make you a better human, it makes you damn lucky.”
    -resident of Healy, Alaska
    I disagree with this statement. The main issue is the overall pessimist view that Chris's life was worthless. True I agree with the fact Chris could have done more good alive than dead but such blatant disregard for the Chris's life is to disregard people like Columbus. People have become famous because of what Chris did. The difference between heroes and crackpots is a margin of success.
    -Sean Henderson

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  5. “Personally I see nothing positive at all about Chris McCandless’s lifestyle or wilderness
    doctrine. Entering the wilderness purposefully ill-prepared, and surviving a near-death
    experience does not make you a better human, it makes you damn lucky.”
    -resident of Healy, Alaska

    I don't argee with this statement because I feel that some positive came out of his experience. I agree with Thoreau on his philosophy that you don't want to look at my life and realize that I have never lived. It in human nature to have the curiousity to explore and I feel that someone who would deny that statement its being true to themselves. Also this resident is acting like Chris went out into the woods with a death wish, it wasn't that he didn't care if he died it was that he wanted to survive on his own terms. With the pressure from society and hate the feeling of being controlled by government he thought it was an essenital thing to live life a way he was never able to.

    "It should not be denied…that being footloose has always exhilarated us. It is associated in our minds with escape from history and oppression and law and irksome obligations,with absolute freedom, and the road has always led west.”
    resident of Healy, Alaska


    I agree with this statement from the resident of Healy because it is in our human nature to want to live in couple freedom and to not be tied down by the pressures of society. Some personalities thrive on that feeling of totally exhilaration, like Chris's personality. I believe that people don't have the right to criticrize Chris's action when they don't fully understand the circumstances. This statement just explains when talking about the west, that because of the culture and the countryside, people are more drown to the outskrits of society.

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  6. “Krakauer is a kook if he doesn’t think Chris ‘Alexander Supertramp’ McCandless was a kook.” - Resident of North Pole, Alaska.
    I disagree with this statement. Not so much the part about Chris being a kook, I will agree he was somewhat on the crazy side. However this person has no right to call Krakauer or anyone else a “kook” simply because of their difference of opinion on a subject. Furthermore, even though what Chris did was reckless, he did have some valid theories and beliefs, about finding true happiness. Had he been a little less stubborn, and pointed in the right direction, Chris could have easily succeeded and lived to tell his wonderful tale.

    “Personally I see nothing positive at all about Chris McCandless’s lifestyle or wilderness
    doctrine. Entering the wilderness purposefully ill-prepared, and surviving a near-death
    experience does not make you a better human, it makes you damn lucky.” – Resident of Healy, Alaska.
    I can see where this person is coming from. And also I like their blunt wording. Seeing as the author of this quote is from Healy, Alaska, not far from where Chris ventured, they obviously know what they are talking about. Entering the wilderness almost completely unprepared, like Chris did, was not a smart move. Unfortunately, Chris did not make it out alive, but it would have been due to some serious amount of luck. Technically, there came nothing positive from Chris’ little adventure. But if a person chooses to look at the whole thing in a more optimistic light, they might see that Alex Supertramp had the right idea; to live simply, happily, and freely with nature.

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  7. this is sinead btw

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  8. "Alex is a nut in my book..."
    I completely disagree with this statement. Alex is as far from a kook or a nut as someone can be. Alex simply had a dream, and was willing to do just about anything to make it a reality. no one should be judged like that because of something they believe in. it is wrong and ignorant to classify someone as crazy on the basis of the opinion of that person.

    "it should not be denied..."
    i entirely agree with this statement.The west, and Alaska to be specific, is a vast world of incredible beauty and wonder. In my opinion, one would be crazy to NOT want to go and spend a while in the Alaskan territory. Even though there is a great lack in Americans who still posses the primordial instinct that makes us want to spend time outdoors and with nature, there are still a few who have found that instinct, and have chosen not to fight it. Chris is one of those people.

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  9. “Personally I see nothing positive at all about Chris McCandless’s lifestyle or wilderness
    doctrine. Entering the wilderness purposefully ill-prepared, and surviving a near-death
    experience does not make you a better human, it makes you damn lucky.” This is a quote from resident of Healy, Alaska. I agree with this quote because it seems to me that Chris purposely didn't prepare himself as much as he needed. He was a smart man so he definitely knew how much supplies he should've brought. I disagree with this quote though because there was positivity out of this situation. Chris got to live his life simply and with nature. It helped him become happier and a better person before he died.

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  10. “It should not be denied…that being footloose has always exhilarated us. It is associated in our minds with escape from history and oppression and law and irksome obligations,with absolute freedom, and the road has always led west.”
    resident of Healy, Alaska

    I agree with this quote because we thrive on freedom and having nothing that would hold us back. Being free of the restraints of society make us feel exhilarated and care free.
    “Personally I see nothing positive at all about Chris McCandless’s lifestyle or wilderness
    doctrine. Entering the wilderness purposefully ill-prepared, and surviving a near-death
    experience does not make you a better human, it makes you damn lucky.”
    I disagree with this quote because I admire Chris for the lifestyle he chose to live. I do agree that he may have been unprepared although he knew what he was getting himself into. He went to live out his life in complete freedom in the wilderness. He wanted to get away from the negativity on his parents and society to live a positive, happy life.

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  11. “Krakauer is a kook if he doesn’t think Chris ‘Alexander Supertramp’ McCandless was a
    kook.”
    - resident of North Pole, Alaska

    i completely disagree with this statement. Not only do i believe Chris was not a kook, i strongly disagree that John is kook. Just because Chris decided to live a lifestyle that was not as recognized throughout society, does not mean that is the wrong sort of lifestyle. In my opinion God gave everyone the option of free will, and anyone can live how they want to live. If Chris chose to live his life in simplicity and cut off from society than that was his call, and doesn't deserve to be judged by another person who lives their life another way. The fact that he called john a kook was also wrong of him to do. You can't judge one person and how a person is based on their opinion of another person.

    “It should not be denied…that being footloose has always exhilarated us. It is associated in our minds with escape from history and oppression and law and irksome obligations,with absolute freedom, and the road has always led west.”
    resident of Healy, Alaska

    I agree with this statement. I believe that this person has a good outlook on life. They do not judge a person on what they did, instead they choose to admit that most humans including themselves have all had thoughts of living the lifestyle Chris had. Not only that but they also somewhat honor Chris for following that thought that many of us have. I believe it was very true of him to say how some people are just into sorts of things like Chris was. Some people have a thing in their head that gets them to want to do these sorts of things that makes them have the time of their life living on the edge.

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  12. “Alex is a nut in my book. The author describes a man who has given away a small
    fortune, forsaken a loving family, abandoned his car, watch and map and burned the last
    of his money before traipsing of into the ‘wilderness’ west of Healy.”
    - resident of Healy, Alaska

    I completely disagree with this statement. No one should judge Chris for what he did. He is a dead man and died for what he loved and longed to do. Not everyone has to understand what was going through his mind when he went out into the wilderness. It was Chris' decision and he was far from a nut. He just wanted to be happy and I'm very proud of him for accomplishing his goal before he died and living life simply and how he wanted it.

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  13. “Krakauer is a kook if he doesn’t think Chris ‘Alexander Supertramp’ McCandless was a
    kook.”
    - resident of North Pole, Alaska

    I do not agree with this quote at all. I think that people just needed to get to know Chris. The people that are making these comments did not really know him or what was going on in his head. He had his reasons for doing what he did and who are they to call him or a kook or anyone that defends him.

    “It should not be denied…that being footloose has always exhilarated us. It is associated in our minds with escape from history and oppression and law and irksome obligations,with absolute freedom, and the road has always led west.”
    resident of Healy, Alaska

    I can agree with this for many different reasons. The main reason being that being footloose can help us get away. By being care-free and relaxed it makes everyone feel better. I can also agree with how it makes us all free. I think in a way it is also saying that it lifts all of the burdens off of our shoulders. I can also agree with this

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  14. “Alex is a nut in my book. The author describes a man who has given away a small
    fortune, forsaken a loving family, abandoned his car, watch and map and burned the last
    of his money before traipsing of into the ‘wilderness’ west of Healy.”
    - resident of Healy, Alaska

    I agree with this quote because the steps Chris took to stay out in the wilderness, could have been approached a totally different way. Instead of giving all of his money away, he could have saved some, whether it be just in case he comes up along the way starving or for after he gets out of the wilderness. He could have wrote letters to all of his family members telling them what he was doing instead of leaving them to worry, even phone calls now and then, he did not have to tell them where he was, he could've just kept in contact with them. Next, Chris stayed in a bus for 113 days, if when he saw the bus and knew it would be that helpful, then why didn't he save his car when his car could have been a potential place to stay, he could've gotten it towed and gave it to a family that needed it. The watch was no biggy, but he should have kept the map so he could find ways out of the woods, before he died he wrote a letter saying he couldn't exit because the hike was too much for his injury, with the map he might've been able to find another exit that he could have handled. Chris was a smart guy, but he could've prepared a bit better.

    “Personally I see nothing positive at all about Chris McCandless’s lifestyle or wilderness
    doctrine. Entering the wilderness purposefully ill-prepared, and surviving a near-death
    experience does not make you a better human, it makes you damn lucky.”
    -resident of Healy, Alaska

    I disagree with this quote. Yes he was ill-prepared, but there was plenty of positive in Chris McCandless's lifestyle, and his survival was definitely not just luck. First of all, there was meaning to Chris' journey. He did not just go out there because he thought it would be fun to try and fend for yourself. He went out into the wild because he was interested in Henry Thoreau and his theories of transcendentalism. Chris also wanted to practice out these ways. Chris did not want to know the time of day or how long he had been where he had been, he just wanted to take in the nature. He wanted to live off of creation. What exactly is wrong with that? If Chris' survival was luck, then he'd probably be alive still. He is not lucky that he ended up dead. To say that his survival was luck is rediculous. Chris hunted animals and kept himself warm. He found sources of food and shelter to stay under when it was too cold or the weather was too drastic to sleep under the stars. Surviving for 113 days, is not luck. It's skill. Chris was prepared in that he knew how to survive.

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  15. “Alex is a nut in my book. The author describes a man who has given away a small
    fortune, forsaken a loving family, abandoned his car, watch and map and burned the last
    of his money before traipsing of into the ‘wilderness’ west of Healy.”
    - resident of Healy, Alaska

    I disagree with this statement. Chris isnt a nut because he goes against against what looks right to society (money,family, car, ect.) that makes him an individual. Chris was just a kid that was persuing his own hopes and dreams and he was doing it the way that he wanted to regardless of what anyone else thought of him.

    “Personally I see nothing positive at all about Chris McCandless’s lifestyle or wilderness
    doctrine. Entering the wilderness purposefully ill-prepared, and surviving a near-death
    experience does not make you a better human, it makes you damn lucky.”
    -resident of Healy, Alaska

    I agree with this statement for several reasons. first, becasue there were no positives that came out of this. yeah, Chris got to follow his hopes and dreams but look where that got him, dead in the wilderness of alaska with heartbroken friends and family. Or unless your john krakuer who made a fortune on the story of Chris. Second, Chris was very lucky he made it as long as he did in the wild. Not only did he struggle against the cold alaskan weather he battled nature around him. If it wasnt for luck which led Chris to the abandoned bus i DONT THINK HE WOULD HAVE MADE IT FOR AS LONG AS HE DID.

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